Frankly Bob, I'm a bit surprised you continue to read my thoughts on this since you believe I am defending something that causes an extreme reaction in you. The word "vile" is repeated quite often here. But, here is a question for you. You say we need to follow the teachings of Jesus by throwing out the Old Testament and any ideas of heaven and hell. I'm wondering what you are thinking those teachings would be since he very clearly based his teachings and his position as Messiah on "scripture," the Old Testament. And his primary teaching was about the kingdom of heaven.