Thanks C. Leon, you are right, that thought of thought first or mind first is primary. While it is an opinion, it is based on all the reasons that I have explained in most of my over 100 posts under the topic of Top Down. Top Down in its simplest form means Mind First, or Thought First. I also gain support from this from the idealists, although I have not yet decided what form of idealism I subscribe to. My argument, as I point out, does not hinge on a particular form of idealism. What is thought? Hmmm, what a mind does?