Thanks Chris, I appreciate the discussion. You state rather flatly that fine tuning does not require a designer. Nearly everything I have read by scientists and philosophers on this says that fine tuning does indeed force a choice between design or chance. The evolution from prior iterations may be true but the question is how did these iterations get started? You say humans are emergent, born out of existing conditions. Where did those existing conditions come from and how can it be explained that they are so marvelously and precisely set to allow life and humans to emerge?

You also have not really responded to my point that many of the most important advances in science have been made by those who operate with a God hypothesis. You say scientists like Dr. Collins who headed the human genome project are playing both sides of the fence. And suggest that they believe only out of fear of death. That is a common suggestion but discounts the deep thought and rationality of great thinkers who also are believers. History shows that those believing in God are very capable of making major advances in science--belief is not a hindrance. How do you explain that only 10% of Nobel winners were and are atheists?