Thanks Rob, yes, it does seem there is near endless contemplation of what the implicate-explicate order means. I'm struggling with that now. He does seem to take an Eastern philosophy view of the oneness of all and that we ebb and flow out of it. But I look at it from a traditional theistic position and ask about the stability of the self. Does the self retain its identity as it slips back into the implicate order? Or is the self a permanent fixture in that order and it hardly matters whether it is expressed in explicate form? I don't know, but kinda fun to contemplate?